If you serve or cater to both men and women, it makes sense that you represent those people with both men and women in leadership. But, this is a very modern development. Event in many business sectors the lack of women in top positions of leadership continues to be a problem.
Reflecting a true image of humanity back to those we lead or serve in ministry shouldn’t be such a strange concept either, but it’s often rare and controversial in religious spheres.
Today my guests are Kathy Escobar and Karl Wheeler, Co-Pastors for more than ten years of the Refuge, a mission center and Christian community near Denver, Colorado.
• They also have a new podcast called Faith Circus where they record their “big tent, high-wire conversations of faith, church, and life (and the occasional elephant in the room)”.
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Where I (Lisa) went to Evangelical Seminary in Myerstown, PA. Tony Blair is the President, a professor and the co-pastor of a church called Hosanna! A Fellowship of Christians in Lititz, Pennsylvania with female pastor Jo Ann Kunz.
Was there pushback when you began as equal partners in church leadership ten years ago at the Refuge?
Understanding co-pastoring. A team-planted the Refuge.
Equality in Christ.
People assume they must be married because they are co-pastors.
Having a restored image of God.
Men sometimes find women easier to share private things with.
Circumcision is an old covenant (males only).
Baptism is a new covenant (open to both males and females).
Faith Circus – The podcast
Makes space for talking about difficult things.
Unity not uniformity
Covering the topic of abortion
A culture of honesty.
“Diversity is a reflection of God’s Kingdom”
The Gay Marriage issue that unfolded in their church
“What’s your position?” is a tricky question–a litmus test.
The Refuge writes doctrine in pencil so they can be reexamined.
“What we believe so far…”
37:00 Next topics coming on Faith Circus
Violence and guns?
Non violent communication
Taking winning off the table. Use empathy and understanding.
We stop listening and we need to slow down to start thinking again.
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