Eps 82: Becoming Wise, my conversation with special guest, Krista Tippett

Eps 82: Becoming Wise, my conversation with special guest, Krista Tippett

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Today, my guest is Krista Tippett.kristatippet
Krista is a Peabody Award-winning broadcaster and New York Times bestselling author. She is the host of On Being, a radio show and podcast distributed to more than 400 stations across the country, a program which often ranks among the top 50 podcasts on iTunes. Krista is the author of several books, including, Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and Art of Living, published in April, 2016.

In 2014, she was awarded the National Humanities Medal at a special ceremony at the White House, and honored by President Barack Obama for “thoughtfully delving into the mysteries of human existence. On the air and in print, Ms. Tippett avoids easy answers, embracing complexity and inviting people of every background to join her conversation about faith, ethics, and moral wisdom.”


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SHOW NOTES

MIN 1

The twist on the question Krista usually asks her guests.

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Our children are watching us more than they are listening to us

Learning to not see people with distinctions and to not see people difference.

MIN 5:30

Nostalgic and loving view of religion of the grandfather. Hymns

MIN 7

Her own spiritual practice

Karen Armstrong – my work is my prayer

Krista writing a prayer, bare bones liturgy, gratitude,

“I don’t know what I mean when I say I pray, but there is something essential and grounding about having this as part of my life.”

Prayer is also an orientation to mystery. My prayer now has very little to do with asking for things. via @kristatippettTwitter

MIN 12:00

Going to Divinity School in the 1990s and the life of the mind and keeping the eyes of a journalist on the world. The important issues of theology and human life were discussions that were missing in public life.

MIN 16:00

Religion, politics, and values

MIN 19:30

The puzzle about human beings and doing “what we ought”, and power, agency, and will and choice, and being people of integrity that need cultivation and our need for each other.

MIN 21:30

We can value that we have the knowledge that we know what’s right and we can learn to get companion for ourselves.

MIN 23:00

Does one need to suffer to become wise?

Suffering is not optional. via @kristatippettTwitter Suffering offers rich ground for becoming more wise but it can take generations. via @kristatippettTwitter

MIN 24:30

Krista on her own depression and how it deepened her wisdom.

Suffering is seedbed of wisdom but not the only seedbed of wisdom. via @kristatippettTwitter

MIN 26:00

Hefty wisdom and also the kind of wisdom children possess.

MIN 28:00

How have the wisest people you’ve spoken to continued to learn and grow in wisdom?

Wise people find a way to stay soft in the face of what ever life will present next.via @kristatippettTwitter This lessens the suffering.

MIN 30:00

Hope is borne of struggle

A toughness and courage

MIN 32:00

The connection of Empathy and Wisdom and how it’s embodied.

Wisdom is a quality of presence. via @kristatippettTwitter If we walk through our sufferings and losses desiring to learn from them and to grow and deepen, empathy is a natural effect. via @kristatippettTwitter

MIN 35:00

The most foolish people get all the attention.

As a culture we seem to be growing distance from each other and less empathic–what can be done?

Fear is an empathy killer. via @kristatippettTwitter

We can become paralyzed and think we can’t do anything.

If many of us could take up the calling to be ‘calmers of fear’ and really close to home. via @kristatippettTwitter We really need to be leaning into the better angels of our nature to stand up to the challenges of the 21st century together in common life.Twitter

MIN 39:00

We are talking about work that is stitching a new fabric of common life that has to start at a very personal level.

Being a non-anxious presence for others

MIN 41:00

We are not taught to be a non anxious presence as powerful people or to be powerful this way and we need more postures in our common spaces; and it won’t feel intuitive.

MIN 43:00

Human drama will remain after the (2016) election and we have to be equipping our selves to reckon with that and be present to that.

MIN 44:00

Krista answering the “so what” question for herself in public life and presence in the world and moving away for being the On Being organizational direction.


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EPS 51: The women of Sacred Ordinary Days

EPS 51: The women of Sacred Ordinary Days

Thanks for listening to the Spark My Muse podcast today. Each Friday is a conversational guest episode. Today’s episode is a Spark My Muse first–not one, but two guests–the women from the podcast Sacred Ordinary Days. Jean and Lacy have quickly grown a strong tribe as they help listeners understand the seasons and rhythms of the liturgical year. They have both launched some fascinating resources too you will want to hear more about.

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SHOW NOTES

MIN 1

Lacy (from Washington State) and Jenn  (from Texas) intro

and how did you find each other and start a podcast?

MIN 6 What is the liturgical calendar exactly why do you find it meaningful?

• Playfulness, curiosity, exploration, tools for meaningful living.

MIN

8:30

Ritual can bring play instead of rigidity which is not what we think of with religion.

MIN 9 crafting a Rule of Life

“A rule of life offers creative boundaries in which God’s loving presence can be recognized and celebrated…” -Henry Nouwen

MIN 10:30

Ritual during Lent – Suggestions

Major theme:

Ash Wednesday the first day of LENT- remember who you are. Returning to dust and remembering your own mortality and your interior journey.

Not just about fasting.

MIN 12:00

Lent means “Spring” or springtime. Awake the true self and cast off the false self.

Fasting, prayer, alms giving bring us towards life. Death of the false self.

Preparation for Easter and it starts in the dark like a seed starts underground.

MIN 14:30 Lent is 40 days. Sundays aren’t counted because they are feast days.

40 days is a time of testing that leads us towards life.

Holy Saturday – the tomb day a day of despair.

MIN 16:30 The seasons covered in the Sacred Ordinary Days podcast

The church year, the Christian year, the liturgical year and learning alongside others.

Facebook.com/groups/sacredordinarydaystribe

MIN 18:30

Journeying in real time with everyone from all walks of life and in all age groups.

MIN 20

Lori Neff – Midday Connection – Lacy’s perpetual Calendar

Jenn’s Day Planner and KickStarter project

MIN 22

Lectionary

Daily Office

Liturgy means “the work of the people”

Reordering the days, minutes, and hours, and something to make it simple.

MIN 26

Lacy’s perpetual calendar and thematic seasonal prompts.

MIN 29

How the dates shift each year based on the vernal equinox and full moons.

The book of common prayer

asacredjourney.net/calendar

LENT 2016 February 10 – March 26 (but not Sundays)

MIN 32

Season of disruption where you make space and grieving the sad things about life. It prepares you for other sorrowful times in life. And prepares us to truly celebrate the wonderful times as well. We can hold both together. There are paradoxes. Both/And

MIN 35 Being fully human.

MIN 36 “It’s all grace.”

MIN 37

The underlying season remains and we can return to it whenever we need it.

MIN 38

Where you can find them.

EPS 35: Sarah Bessey talks about “Out of Sorts”

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Sarah Bessey “Out of Sorts”

The difference between this book and the last one.

8:00
Six years away from church.
Finding friends outside of a church community context and the loneliness of that.

Making friends in the neighborhood and having more time because church obligations didn’t take so much time.

11:30
Programing church can take away the organic way people can become bonded.

“Maybe community is a really churchy word for being a really good friend.”

13:30
Obey the Sadness is her favorite chapter

Barbara Brown Taylor
“Learning to Walk in the Dark”

Solar and Lunar Christians

15:30
What unanswered prayers teach.

16:20
I didn’t know how to be sad. I didn’t know how to say [things weren’t] right and that I was longing for wholeness and longing for resolution and redemption. And make peace with that and sit in that tension well.

Holding space for unfinished business.

18:00
The lamenting psalms are meant to be sung in community.

The sacred work of listening when people are hurting.

19:30
When people are uncomfortable with our pain.

The winnowing times when friendships don’t stay provide comfort during the painful times.

22:00
The Ash Wednesday breakthrough story.

27:00
on not knowing how to pray anymore.

The Book of Common prayer

The daily offices

The 28:00
The papal visit in Philly

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Priests move to distribute Communion at the closing Mass of the World Meeting of Families in Philadelphia Sept. 27. (CNS photo/Teak Phillips, St. Louis Review) See POPE-FAMILY-MASS Sept. 27, 2015.
Priests move to distribute Communion at the closing Mass of the World Meeting of Families in Philadelphia Sept. 27. (CNS photo/Teak Phillips, St. Louis Review) See POPE-FAMILY-MASS Sept. 27, 2015.

Open communion in the street

The World Meeting of Families

Sarah’s interaction with liturgy now and underestimating her spiritual roots and homesickness.

Missing the unscripted script of her church.

34:00
Recognizing the global church and its expressions.

35:30
Sushi forever or the many expressions of Christianity.

If your hands are open you can have many ways to encounter God.

37:00
Understanding the wrath of God and sovereignty of God.

46:00
The pain and relief of the dross getting burning away.

“Can God Be Trusted”
by John Stackhouse


49:00
Being okay with growing pains.

The one message she hopes people get from the book.
(She takes us to church! ENJOY!)

Episode 13 – “We cannot encapsulate God in our Theology” guest Doug Jackson

Episode 13 – “We cannot encapsulate God in our Theology” guest Doug Jackson

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Shownotes for Episode 13  Wine lovers have God to thank + guest Doug Jackson


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WINE SEGMENT:

Who do we have to thank for wine?

God and the Church, actually.

Wine lovers in Western civilization have the Church in Europe (and the Roman Empire and the Holy Roman Empire–which was neither holy nor Roman ) to thank for the large-scale production, the prevalence and the excellence of wine!

Why? 

Because liturgy involving wine for communion was central to Christian religious practice. Wine was ingested as the saving holy blood of Christ (and bread as the holy body of Christ), usually each and every day. The sacraments of Communion served as saving grace afforded to the Church.

As Roman Empire became officially a Christian Empire (circa 313 CE) many vineyards had to be planted, properly cultivated, and harvested. Grapes had to be made into a lot of to support the daily practice of communion throughout the Empire.

Communion served as wine was the norm among Christians world-wide until recently–in the era of pasteurization. To keep juice from grapes in a state were they would not ferment meant it had to be sufficiently boiled so the natural yeast would die. 

Vehemently opposed to alcohol, Thomas Bramwell Welch, a physician, dentist, and Methodist pastor from Vineyard, New Jersey, figured out the process in 1869 with Concord grapes. Most churches did not accept the switch as proper and stayed with wine.

The juice later became more popular during Victorian era because of prominent values of abstinence. A shift then began in the U.S. that made grape juice the main communion beverage (at least among certain Protestants sects).

Several hundred vineyards operating in Europe today can trace their history to monastic origins.

In the 9th-15th centuries almost 1,000 monasteries dotted Europe. They were centers of education, stability, and technical innovation. Monks and nuns could read and write–this was quite uncommon then.

Monasteries cared for the sick, helped the poor, created places of education, and invented Universities. They could not fund all this through donations. Surplus wine was sold to finance ministry work (and also beer, fruit brandies, and cheese, among many other things..even prayers and Salvation ..which–in hindsight–appears to have been a mistake ) .

So, basically, thank God (and many monks) for wine!


 

Sparking your muse

 Enjoy the fantastic chat with Doug Jackson!

Doug-Jackson

Douglas Jackson, D.Min.
Director of the Logsdon Seminary Graduate Program

Doug Jackson came to SCS in 2006, after serving as pastor of Second Baptist Church, Corpus Christi, since 1993. In addition to teaching courses, Dr. Jackson functions as a liaison between Logsdon Seminary and local churches in Corpus Christi. His areas of specialization include spiritual formation and pastoral ministry. Dr. Jackson has published and presented several articles and essays in religious and literary venues, including articles and lectures on the life and writings of C.S. Lewis.
• D.Min. – Truett Seminary (2006)
• M.Div. – Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary (1985)
• B.A. – English Literature, Grand Canyon College (1982)

His blog is here.


 

Interview / chat notes:

 

MIN 8:00
on Doug preparing for a his Fall class.

A resource he is using by NT Wright – “The new perspective on Paul”
The covenant people God has saved.

8:50
Reformers and the necessary correction in contemporary times.

9:00
Confronting individualism
and thoughts on human flourishing.

9:50
on the idea of being “spiritual but not religious”

10:30
on his work about CS Lewis

Mere Christianity

11:00
The importance of imagination for understanding that isn’t covered by rationalism.

12:30
on his Oxford lecture
Owen Barfield an influential life-long friend of CS Lewis

Another lecture on Walter Miller – A Canticle for Leibowitz
Apologetic self-proclaimed validity on the rational scheme of knowing.

“Scholarship is about knowing more and more about less and less so that eventually you know everything about nothing.”

14:30
James Sire

15:70
Malcolm Guite https://www.facebook.com/malcolm.guite
Chaplain of Gerton college and Cambridge
“Faith Hope and Poetry”

He covers the imagination as a way of knowing (an epistemology).

Holly Ordway
Houston Baptist University
“Not God’s Type”

Her 2-track movement toward conversion

18:00
Brainpickings.com Maria Popova (an admitted secular atheist on a continual spiritual search)

19:00
on Spiritual atheism

….if we come up with a system that covers everything (Christians and Atheists alike)…

“Humans are sensitive and emotionally vulnerable to a wasteful degree evolutionarily speaking…highly valuing the arts.” (Lisa)

Christ in the Desert Benedictine Monk and Abbot
Philip Lawrence, New Mexico
…slipping in and out of atheism….

21:30
HG Wells, and the fundamentalist reaction to him and others of his ilk.

on how science and religious circles have had an absolute unwillingness to be in one another presence and (have not wanted) to admit any weaknesses and (instead) just shout louder.

22:20

“The best apologetics can do is make Christianity credible and I don’t think it can make it inevitable.”

 

22:30 “Any belief in any ideal is still a leap of faith for anyone… like Justice, Love, Hope…” (Lisa)

23:30
on How people appeal to a standard outside themselves. (CS Lewis)

24:00
Theories of “survival behavior value” for Morality and Justice kicks the can. or it lands on simple absurdity and meaninglessness where suicide becomes a valid option.

25:00

Doug answering the question….”Is fundamentalism evolving”?

26:00
Richard Foster’s classic over 50 years old “Celebration of Discipline”

27:20
A story of a crucial pivot point for Doug.

28:20
How the psalmists had to cry out to God when the answers didn’t suffice any longer. For us, this is a return more than a departure.”

“I have gained the gift of being able to respect other traditions and admire things they bring us, but I talk to people across that spectrum that have that experience.”

29:30

“We go from trusting our denominational address or theology address to trusting Christ but it doesn’t mean an abandonment of it. Choosing a room in the same house to live in.”

30:10
Spiritual disciplines most meaningful to him:
On solitude and privacy (the difference). Henri Nouwen explains the difference.
 Henri Nouwen explains in “Out of Solitude” 

Doug: Solitude is for battle. Privacy is to be alone.

31:00
Demons come in our solitude (Desert Fathers). The outcome is awareness and purification.

32:00
Wanting “the listening heart” (what Solomon really asked God for).
on the importance of listening to God…

33:30
My Stockholm syndrome at parties. (Lisa)

34:00

“(My) Inability to be with people was driven by a failure to have a real self.”

34:30
“you are nearer to me than my own self.” Augustine

Doug realized:

“My real Self can’t be with people because it’s threatened by them, because they’re going to colonize my Self and going to make me into something I’m not. As opposed to having a real Self that can listen because God is protecting that Self.”

Father Francis Kelly Nemeck wrote
The way of Spiritual Direction (his director)
…Doug and I discuss Detachment and Holy Indifference…

39:00
St John of the Cross
(Exploring the spiritually obscured times and darker emotions.)

“the nada” (God is “no thing” the silence before God

40:00
…on staying in the problems and not panicking.

41:00
…on the crucial lesson from his mom that revealed his theology

44:30
(unknowing) Apophetic theology

“John of the Cross didn’t want that we should abandon the metaphors but move through them.”

45:00

“We cannot encapsulate God in our Theology.”

(which is terrifying but life-giving)

46:00
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