{"id":18519,"date":"2016-06-24T03:06:45","date_gmt":"2016-06-24T08:06:45","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/lisadelay.com\/blog\/?p=18519"},"modified":"2016-06-27T17:19:57","modified_gmt":"2016-06-27T22:19:57","slug":"eps-67-science-mike-mchargue-spiritual-skeptic","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lisadelay.com\/blog\/eps-67-science-mike-mchargue-spiritual-skeptic\/","title":{"rendered":"Eps 67: Science Mike McHargue &#8211; Spiritual Skeptic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><b>I&#8217;m so happy to have on one of my very\u00a0favorite podcasters, Mike McHargue. Mike is a joy to speak to and brings grace and insights to his show and I know you&#8217;ll enjoy our conversation.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><em>The show notes today are <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">stuffed<\/span> full of links to everything we mention in the episode. Check it out below! 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Father, Son, Spirit<\/p>\n<p>Celtics and Eastern Orthodox.\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.britannica.com\/topic\/Philokalia\" target=\"_blank\">Philokalia<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Catholic Mystics<\/p>\n<p>18:30<\/p>\n<p>Who he\u2019s reading. <a href=\"https:\/\/cac.org\" target=\"_blank\">Richard Rohr<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.merton.org\" target=\"_blank\">Thomas Merton<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Thomas_Keating\" target=\"_blank\">Thomas Keating<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Christianity is Eastern religion.<\/p>\n<p>21:00<\/p>\n<p>The great Schism 1,000 AD<\/p>\n<p>dogma and chrisma<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Karen_Armstrong\" target=\"_blank\">Karen Armstrong &#8211; The History of God.<\/a><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" style=\"width: 120px; height: 240px;\" src=\"\/\/ws-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/widgets\/q?ServiceVersion=20070822&amp;OneJS=1&amp;Operation=GetAdHtml&amp;MarketPlace=US&amp;source=ss&amp;ref=as_ss_li_til&amp;ad_type=product_link&amp;tracking_id=thbloflicode-20&amp;marketplace=amazon&amp;region=US&amp;placement=0345384563&amp;asins=0345384563&amp;linkId=628addb8adce2f69e1a3369d699122db&amp;show_border=true&amp;link_opens_in_new_window=true\" width=\"300\" height=\"150\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><br \/>\nMaking meaning of the world and avoiding magical thinking.<\/p>\n<p>25:00<\/p>\n<p>Superstition is anti &#8211; science<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Processing reality using language is what humans do.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>T.M. 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