{"id":19083,"date":"2016-10-07T03:15:41","date_gmt":"2016-10-07T07:15:41","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/lisadelay.com\/blog\/?p=19083"},"modified":"2018-03-06T14:13:00","modified_gmt":"2018-03-06T18:13:00","slug":"eps-82-becoming-wise-my-conversation-with-special-guest-krista-tippett","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lisadelay.com\/blog\/eps-82-becoming-wise-my-conversation-with-special-guest-krista-tippett\/","title":{"rendered":"Eps 82: Becoming Wise, my conversation with special guest, Krista Tippett"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2 style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Welcome to Spark My Muse!<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p><strong><em>DETAILS:<\/em><\/strong><br \/>\n\u2022\u00a0AUDIO is released each WEDNESDAY.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\"><em><span style=\"color: #000080;\"><strong>Thank you for helping, with a donation today\u00a0!<\/strong><\/span><\/em><strong><br \/>\n<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.paypal.com\/cgi-bin\/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&amp;hosted_button_id=KVNWHBFV8MHF6\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-18682 size-thumbnail\" src=\"https:\/\/lisadelay.com\/blog\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/paypal-150x80.jpeg\" alt=\"paypal\" width=\"150\" height=\"80\" srcset=\"https:\/\/lisadelay.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/paypal-150x80.jpeg 150w, https:\/\/lisadelay.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/paypal-350x187.jpeg 350w, https:\/\/lisadelay.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/paypal-300x160.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/lisadelay.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/paypal-768x410.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/lisadelay.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/paypal-1024x546.jpeg 1024w, https:\/\/lisadelay.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/07\/paypal.jpeg 1800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><br \/>\n<strong>C<\/strong><\/a><strong>heck out <a href=\"http:\/\/patreon.com\/sparkmymuse\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">PATREON<\/a>\u00a0support too.<\/strong><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>Today, my guest is Krista Tippett.<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-19086\" src=\"https:\/\/lisadelay.com\/blog\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/KristaTippet-278x300.jpg\" alt=\"kristatippet\" width=\"278\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/lisadelay.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/KristaTippet-278x300.jpg 278w, https:\/\/lisadelay.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/KristaTippet-350x378.jpg 350w, https:\/\/lisadelay.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/KristaTippet-139x150.jpg 139w, https:\/\/lisadelay.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/KristaTippet.jpg 686w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 278px) 100vw, 278px\" \/><br \/>\nKrista is a Peabody Award-winning broadcaster and New York Times bestselling author. She is the host of<em><strong> On Being<\/strong><\/em>, a radio show and podcast distributed to more than 400 stations across the country, a program which often ranks among the top 50 podcasts on iTunes. Krista is the author of several books, including, <em>Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and Art of Living<\/em>, published in April, 2016.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" style=\"width: 120px; height: 240px;\" src=\"\/\/ws-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/widgets\/q?ServiceVersion=20070822&amp;OneJS=1&amp;Operation=GetAdHtml&amp;MarketPlace=US&amp;source=ss&amp;ref=as_ss_li_til&amp;ad_type=product_link&amp;tracking_id=thbloflicode-20&amp;marketplace=amazon&amp;region=US&amp;placement=1594206805&amp;asins=1594206805&amp;linkId=da4ab53d8e665430c59de3f38c718b15&amp;show_border=true&amp;link_opens_in_new_window=true\" width=\"300\" height=\"150\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>In 2014, she was awarded the National Humanities Medal at a special ceremony at the White House, and honored by President Barack Obama for \u201cthoughtfully delving into the mysteries of human existence. On the air and in print, Ms. Tippett avoids easy answers, embracing complexity and inviting people of every background to join her conversation about faith, ethics, and moral wisdom.&#8221;<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"\/\/player.blubrry.com?podcast_id=17506687\" width=\"100%\" height=\"138px\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>(Share audio using the app below. 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Hymns<\/p>\n<p>MIN 7<\/p>\n<p>Her own spiritual practice<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Karen_Armstrong\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Karen Armstrong<\/a> &#8211; my work is my prayer<\/p>\n<p>Krista writing a prayer, bare bones liturgy, gratitude,<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;I don\u2019t know what I mean when I say I pray, but there is something essential and grounding about having this as part of my life.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>[ictt-tweet-inline via=&#8221;&#8221;]Prayer is also an orientation to mystery. My prayer now has very little to do with asking for things. via @kristatippett[\/ictt-tweet-inline]<\/p>\n<p>MIN 12:00<\/p>\n<p>Going to Divinity School in the 1990s and the life of the mind and keeping the eyes of a journalist on the world. The important issues of theology and human life were discussions that were missing in public life.<\/p>\n<p>MIN 16:00<\/p>\n<p>Religion, politics, and values<\/p>\n<p>MIN 19:30<\/p>\n<p>The puzzle about human beings and doing \u201cwhat we ought\u201d, and power, agency, and will and choice, and being people of integrity that need cultivation and our need for each other.<\/p>\n<p>MIN 21:30<\/p>\n<p>We can value that we have the knowledge that we know what\u2019s right and we can learn to get companion for ourselves.<\/p>\n<p>MIN 23:00<\/p>\n<p>Does one need to suffer to become wise?<\/p>\n<p>[ictt-tweet-inline via=&#8221;&#8221;]Suffering is not optional. via @kristatippett[\/ictt-tweet-inline]<\/p>\n<p>[ictt-tweet-inline via=&#8221;&#8221;]Suffering offers rich ground for becoming more wise but it can take generations. via @kristatippett[\/ictt-tweet-inline]<\/p>\n<p>MIN 24:30<\/p>\n<p>Krista on her own depression and how it deepened her wisdom.<\/p>\n<p>[ictt-tweet-inline via=&#8221;&#8221;]Suffering is seedbed of wisdom but not the only seedbed of wisdom. via @kristatippett[\/ictt-tweet-inline]<\/p>\n<p>MIN 26:00<\/p>\n<p>Hefty wisdom and also the kind of wisdom children possess.<\/p>\n<p>MIN 28:00<\/p>\n<p>How have the wisest people you\u2019ve spoken to continued to learn and grow in wisdom?<\/p>\n<p>[ictt-tweet-inline via=&#8221;&#8221;]Wise people find a way to stay soft in the face of what ever life will present next.via @kristatippett[\/ictt-tweet-inline]This lessens the suffering.<\/p>\n<p>MIN 30:00<\/p>\n<p>Hope is borne of struggle<\/p>\n<p>A toughness and courage<\/p>\n<p>MIN 32:00<\/p>\n<p>The connection of Empathy and Wisdom and how it\u2019s embodied.<\/p>\n<p>[ictt-tweet-inline via=&#8221;&#8221;]Wisdom is a quality of presence. via @kristatippett[\/ictt-tweet-inline]<\/p>\n<p>[ictt-tweet-inline via=&#8221;&#8221;]If we walk through our sufferings and losses desiring to learn from them and to grow and deepen, empathy is a natural effect. via @kristatippett[\/ictt-tweet-inline]<\/p>\n<p>MIN 35:00<\/p>\n<p>The most foolish people get all the attention.<\/p>\n<p>As a culture we seem to be growing distance from each other and less empathic\u2013what can be done?<\/p>\n<p>[ictt-tweet-inline via=&#8221;&#8221;]Fear is an empathy killer. via @kristatippett[\/ictt-tweet-inline]<\/p>\n<p>We can become paralyzed and think we can\u2019t do anything.<\/p>\n<p>[ictt-tweet-inline via=&#8221;&#8221;]If many of us could take up the calling to be \u2018calmers of fear\u2019 and really close to home. via @kristatippett[\/ictt-tweet-inline]<\/p>\n<p>[ictt-tweet-inline via=&#8221;&#8221;]We really need to be leaning into the better angels of our nature to stand up to the challenges of the 21st century together in common life.[\/ictt-tweet-inline]<\/p>\n<p>MIN 39:00<\/p>\n<p>We are talking about work that is stitching a new fabric of common life that has to start at a very personal level.<\/p>\n<p>Being a non-anxious presence for others<\/p>\n<p>MIN 41:00<\/p>\n<p>We\u00a0are not taught to be a non anxious presence as powerful people or to be powerful this way and we need more postures in our common spaces; and it won\u2019t feel intuitive.<\/p>\n<p>MIN 43:00<\/p>\n<p>Human drama will remain after the (2016) election and we have to be equipping our selves to reckon with that and be present to that.<\/p>\n<p>MIN 44:00<\/p>\n<p>Krista answering the \u201cso what\u201d question for herself in public life and presence in the world and moving away for being the On Being organizational direction.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>Please enjoy some of the recent episodes:<br \/>\n<!--[if lt IE 9]><script>document.createElement('audio');<\/script><![endif]-->\n<div class=\"wp-playlist wp-audio-playlist wp-playlist-light\">\n\t\t<div class=\"wp-playlist-current-item\"><\/div>\n\t\t<audio controls=\"controls\" preload=\"none\" width=\"638\"><\/audio>\n\t<div class=\"wp-playlist-next\"><\/div>\n\t<div 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