{"id":23659,"date":"2020-07-29T03:15:00","date_gmt":"2020-07-29T07:15:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/lisadelay.com\/blog\/?p=23659"},"modified":"2020-07-24T13:48:47","modified_gmt":"2020-07-24T17:48:47","slug":"eps-181-the-way-up-is-down-guest-marlena-graves","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lisadelay.com\/blog\/eps-181-the-way-up-is-down-guest-marlena-graves\/","title":{"rendered":"Eps 181: The Way Up is Down; Guest, Marlena Graves"},"content":{"rendered":"<span style=\"color: #333333;\"><span style=\"color: #339966;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-thumbnail wp-image-23660\" src=\"https:\/\/lisadelay.com\/blog\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/marlenagraves-100x150.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"100\" height=\"150\" srcset=\"https:\/\/lisadelay.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/marlenagraves-100x150.jpg 100w, https:\/\/lisadelay.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/marlenagraves-200x300.jpg 200w, https:\/\/lisadelay.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/marlenagraves-683x1024.jpg 683w, https:\/\/lisadelay.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/marlenagraves-768x1152.jpg 768w, https:\/\/lisadelay.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/marlenagraves-1024x1536.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/lisadelay.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/marlenagraves-350x525.jpg 350w, https:\/\/lisadelay.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/marlenagraves.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 100px) 100vw, 100px\" \/><\/span><\/span>\n\nMy conversation today is with <a href=\"http:\/\/marlenagraves.com\">Marlena Graves<\/a> about her book &#8220;The Way Up is Down: Becoming Yourself by Forgetting Yourself&#8221;. (Like me, Marlena is originally from Puerto Rico and grew up in Pennsylvania. Her Spanish is way better though.) She&#8217;s a professor, an activist, has worked in ministry, and authored a number of books. 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